0:00 So, our next witness is Rodney [snorts]
0:03 Palmer. Rodney, can you get can somebody
0:06 give him the Bible uh to put in his
0:08 right hand? Thank you.
0:14 >> Rodney Palmer, do you swear to tell the
0:17 truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
0:21 the truth? So, help me God.
0:22 >> I do. [clears throat]
0:23 >> Just want to introduce you to the
0:25 inquiry. uh you worked you worked as a
0:28 journalist in Canada for 20 years. You
0:31 were a general assignment reporter for
0:33 the Globe and Mail newspaper. You worked
0:36 as a daily news reporter at the
0:38 Vancouver Sun. Um you worked at CBC and
0:42 later you worked as a producer and
0:44 investigative reporter at CBC radio and
0:47 television.
0:49 you then uh went to be the foreign
0:52 correspondents and bureau chief for CTV
0:55 news based in India then Israel and
0:58 finally in China based in Beijing um and
1:02 we've asked you to come and testify
1:04 about the standard process of news
1:07 gathering versus propaganda at the CBC
1:10 during the time of CO and my
1:12 understanding is is that you have a
1:14 presentation for us and I'd invite you
1:16 to give that.
1:17 >> I do. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Allison,
1:18 for holding this inquiry. Thank you, Mr.
1:20 Buckley. I worked at the CBC for these
1:22 times and I and at at CTV, but I was
1:24 primarily I was trained at the CBC from
1:26 a young age, a young journalist. I was
1:28 trained in their system. And [snorts]
1:30 what I observed very quickly during CO
1:33 was that the CBC morphed into the type
1:36 of broadcaster that I witnessed in
1:38 China, in Syria, in North Korea. It
1:40 wasn't the public broadcaster that I had
1:44 been trained as. It's I I believe it's
1:46 it's a state broadcaster and I'm going
1:48 to explain the difference between those
1:50 two things. A public broadcaster engages
1:53 in news gathering which is defined in
1:55 the Oxford dictionary as the process of
1:57 doing research on news items. And the
1:59 way it works is from the bottom up. So a
2:01 little reporter in a small town in
2:03 Saskatchewan will [clears throat] do a
2:04 story that's local and maybe Western
2:06 Canada becomes interested in it, maybe
2:08 the nation does and it goes up and it
2:10 becomes a national news story. That's a
2:12 bottom up. That's how the apparatus is
2:14 designed to work. That's a public
2:15 broadcaster. It tells the story of the
2:17 nation that holds us together and knits
2:19 us together by telling our stories. But
2:22 I heard it becoming a state broadcaster.
2:25 And a state broadcaster works on
2:26 propaganda. It uses the same apparatus,
2:29 the same anchors, the same reporters
2:31 right down to that little reporter in
2:32 Saskatchewan. And what it does, it's
2:35 it's defined in Oxford as the
2:37 intentional manipulation of public
2:39 opinion through lies and halftruths.
2:42 It uses the same apparatus, but it comes
2:45 from the top down. The government tells
2:47 us right down to that little reporter
2:48 and they all speak with a unified voice.
2:52 One of the first things I noticed was a
2:55 story on the national at CBC television,
2:58 the national news with Adrienne Arsenal,
3:00 one of the greatest broadcasters we
3:01 have, by the way. She's amazing in the
3:03 way that she is on camera and she's very
3:05 believable and trustworthy. But when I
3:07 saw this, I did not recognize it as
3:09 news.
3:10 So, what do you do when this happens? A
3:12 loved one, let's say it's your dad,
3:14 drops into the family group chat with
3:16 something he thinks is real. It's
3:19 something about China manufacturing the
3:21 Corona virus. There's a link to a site
3:23 you've never heard of with a message
3:25 calling it scary stuff. So, what do you
3:28 do with this? Do you ignore it? Do you
3:30 call them out saying how ridiculous you
3:32 think this is? So, hold back on all that
3:35 reactive talk. Maybe try something like
3:37 this. Yeah, these are scary times. We're
3:39 all a bit afraid, but let's be careful.
3:41 What you're sharing is inaccurate, and
3:43 it feeds into that fear we all feel.
3:45 >> Fear was what they were selling here. It
3:48 wasn't news. And more interestingly, on
3:50 April 4th, 2020, CDC had no idea that
3:52 this didn't come from a lab. I covered
3:54 the SARS outbreak in 2002 in Beijing,
3:56 and I followed the World Health
3:57 Organization, the virus hunters,
3:59 determining who was patient zero. And I
4:01 know that the amount of time that this
4:03 takes, and it hadn't been determined
4:04 yet. So, how did they presume in that
4:07 story, number one, that it wasn't from a
4:09 lab? They presented no evidence. There
4:10 was no news gathering. And more
4:12 importantly, they said, "Don't trust
4:14 your dumb old dad." That's what the
4:16 focus of this story was. Don't trust
4:18 your family member. So, this is another
4:19 thing that state broadcasters do. They
4:21 attempt to supplant themselves as the
4:23 arbiters of truth and divide you from
4:26 your standard, the person you seek as as
4:28 a as a true person, a wise person in
4:30 your life, in this case, your father.
4:34 So they had no evidence and yet they did
4:35 this this because this was propaganda
4:37 and I recognized it instantly.
4:40 Just a few days later, the Washington
4:42 Post did news gathering. It published a
4:45 story that there were safety issues at
4:46 the Wuhan lab. This is 10 days after the
4:49 Adrien Arseno's piece. Going back to
4:51 2018, the US embassy in Beijing had been
4:54 warning Washington about safety and
4:56 management weaknesses at the U the Wuhan
4:59 Institute of Viology that stated
5:01 specifically there was a potential human
5:03 transmission representing a risk of a
5:05 new SARSike pandemic. This is 2 years
5:08 before. Did the CDC come on 10 days
5:10 later and said, "Sorry, the Washington
5:13 Post has broken a story that we're
5:14 looking into that it might be from the
5:15 lab." No, they didn't do that. They kept
5:17 telling you, you know, it's ridiculous
5:20 to be from the lab.
5:22 The next year, Vanity Fair did a deep
5:25 dive and found five scientific papers
5:28 published seven years prior to that
5:30 broadcast by the scientists at the Wuhan
5:34 lab in public domain that showed that
5:36 they were creating a brand new
5:38 infectious pathogen, some
5:40 Frankensteinian bacteria that or virus
5:43 rather that was merging the SARS 202
5:47 virus with a new bat virus. They said
5:51 there were safety deficiencies at the
5:52 Wuhan lab. They said there were
5:54 genetically engineered rats with
5:55 humanized lungs and all of this
5:58 information was available to Adrian
5:59 Arseno, the CDC and the national at the
6:02 time they told us don't believe it to be
6:04 true. So they with the billions of
6:07 dollars that they have from the people
6:09 of Canada and the federal government,
6:12 they failed to tell us this. And it's
6:15 probably not because they didn't know
6:16 how. It's probably because they were
6:18 acting as a state broadcaster. [snorts]
6:21 The next thing they did was when the
6:23 vaccine
6:24 >> Can I just stop you because don't we now
6:26 with the Fouchy diaries it it's pretty
6:30 clear that this lab leak theory is very
6:33 very probable.
6:35 >> The US Congress issued a report that it
6:36 was def definite. The the US FBI has
6:39 issued a report that it is definite from
6:41 the lab. And but my point here is in the
6:45 moment it was provable and a journalist
6:48 would have proved it or at least
6:50 strongly pointed the finger. Not only
6:52 was it probable, but it was the most
6:54 likely scenario at the moment that she
6:57 was telling us don't believe your father
6:59 if he says cuz he's kind of dumb cuz
7:01 dads are. This is this was a scenario
7:03 that they were creating because they
7:05 were not exercising the journalism that
7:07 we expected them to do. They were simply
7:09 exercising state propaganda. And it gets
7:12 worse, Mr. Buckley.
7:14 By December, we had a vaccine.
7:17 Ridiculously lightning speed, 7 months
7:19 to a vaccine. And they bypassed the
7:22 parents entirely
7:24 and an arm of CBC called CBC Kids where
7:28 they broadcast this on December 16th,
7:30 2020.
7:31 >> So, you're a vaccine researcher. How
7:34 confident are you that this vaccine is
7:36 safe? So the vaccine has been tested in
7:40 thousands and thousands of people and to
7:43 have shown no significant safety
7:46 concerns. So because it's been given to
7:50 so many people and they haven't had a
7:52 problem, I think that you can feel safer
7:56 getting this vaccine um knowing that no
8:00 no problems have been recognized so far.
8:05 There are three things interesting about
8:06 that scientific that science uh
8:08 scientist. Number one, she choked on her
8:11 final uh phrase. No significant safety
8:13 concerns have been found so far.
8:15 Normally when somebody's doing that,
8:17 they repeat themselves. They stutter.
8:18 They stumble. It's because they're
8:19 trying to remember a script. I I picked
8:21 up on it. The second thing that was
8:23 horrifying to me is there's a tension
8:25 track underneath that. You couldn't
8:26 quite hear it on the volume we have
8:27 here. It's subliminal. Dun dun dun dun.
8:31 It's on there, right? It was also on the
8:33 national news piece with Adrienne
8:34 Arseno. And when she went to interview
8:36 somebody who said, "I'm an expert and I
8:38 uh I I know how to how to talk to your
8:40 father." The music changed to LA. This
8:43 is a Hollywood emotional manipulation
8:46 trick to get to to get us to think and
8:49 feel a certain way. The CDC was using
8:51 this in their news items to to promote
8:53 fear and to promote uh to to move us
8:58 toward the solution that they wanted us
8:59 to believe in their intentional
9:01 manipulation. The most interesting thing
9:03 about this on December 16th is that she
9:05 said there was no safety signals.
9:08 However, 4 days prior on December 12th,
9:11 Health Canada had issued its first
9:13 warning, its first bulletin that it was
9:15 monitoring cases of anaphilaxis. So
9:18 that's not nothing. CDC kids. That's not
9:20 total safety. That's not no safety
9:22 concerns. That's anaphilaxis 4 days
9:25 prior. And that scientist was giving
9:28 misinformation to the children.
9:31 Only 4 months after that, so 16 weeks
9:34 later, Public Health Ontario published
9:36 that there were 20 reports of blood
9:38 clots, seven reports of acute
9:39 cardiovascular injury. That sounds
9:41 pretty severe to me. Acute kidney
9:44 injury, skin lesions, acute respiratory
9:46 distress. Respiratory distress means you
9:48 can't breathe and seven reports of death
9:52 in Ontario alone. Did CBC kids go back
9:55 on and say, "Listen, kids, the story has
9:57 changed. It's emerging. We have new
9:59 information." No. They continued to say,
10:02 "Go get the vaccine. It'll release you
10:04 from the confines of your parents'
10:06 basement."
10:07 A reporter at CBC Manitoba
10:10 started to get so many phone calls from
10:12 vaccine injured people that she did a
10:14 story about it. She did her job. She's a
10:15 35-year veteran named Marian Cloak and
10:19 she knows how to do her job. She phoned
10:20 around to university experts across
10:22 Canada and she learned that there were
10:24 actually safety signals by this time of
10:26 myocarditis and paricarditis. They these
10:29 these university experts who were in the
10:31 field said that uh this was happening.
10:34 It was posted on the health Canada
10:35 website. It was being witnessed
10:37 internationally and she put a story
10:38 together and CBC Manitoba
10:41 censored the story. They said you can't
10:44 say that. it will promote vaccine
10:45 hesitancy. And she replied, "That's not
10:48 my job to promote hesitancy or to
10:52 cheerlead the vaccine. My job is to tell
10:54 the truth of what's happening in this
10:55 country." They sent the story down to
10:57 CBC Toronto for vetting. This has never
10:59 happened to her before in her 35 year
11:01 career as a broadcaster at CBC. And it
11:04 took 5 weeks for them to come back with
11:06 an answer. She was pointing out at the
11:08 time that this was an urgent story, but
11:11 they said you can put those people on
11:13 who claim that they're injured by the
11:14 vaccine, but you can't put those two
11:16 learned scientists on who say that these
11:19 are red flags and we have paricarditis
11:20 and myocarditis and we have other death
11:22 red flags and they're posting it on the
11:24 the Health Canada website. Not allowed
11:26 to put them on. You have to put approved
11:29 scientists on.
11:32 She had never heard this before. So,
11:33 Maryann Kloak, uh you can't see the
11:36 picture here, but she said, "I quit. I'm
11:39 triggering my uh my retirement. I'm
11:42 leaving the CBC." And she later
11:45 testified at the National Citizens
11:46 School Inquiry here in Ottawa. I
11:48 witnessed in a very short time the
11:50 collapse of journalism, news gathering,
11:52 and investigative reporting at the CBC.
11:55 The way I saw it, we were in fact
11:56 pushing propaganda. Those are her words.
11:59 around that same time in order to combat
12:02 the problem I suppose that the
12:04 government had. But it was also to me it
12:06 was an emerging story. These more and
12:08 more people were getting injured by
12:09 these vaccines that we were being told
12:10 were safe and effective. Safe and
12:12 effective. Safe and effective. This is
12:14 what a state broadcaster does. It's a
12:16 hypnotic thing. It's a way to brainwash
12:18 the public. So the federal government
12:21 established a fund of $1.75 million and
12:24 gave it to a a nent group of two people.
12:27 It was called Science Up First and it
12:29 was run by a uh a lawyer, oddly enough,
12:32 not even a scientist. He is his name is
12:35 Timothy Caulfield and many people may
12:37 have seen him. He's been on every every
12:40 media in the country and he goes on and
12:42 tells you that not only that you have to
12:44 take a vaccine, but if you don't that
12:45 there's something wrong with you
12:46 mentally. The the the mandate of science
12:49 up first was to get as many Canadians as
12:51 possible vaccinated against COVID 19.
12:53 And so Mr. Cfield surrounded himself
12:56 with actual scientific experts and they
12:58 became the independent experts that the
13:00 CBC would go to. We used to call it the
13:02 golden rolodex. People that you knew you
13:04 could bring on and you knew what they
13:06 were going to say. But they were the
13:07 only ones allowed on. The ones that Mary
13:09 and Kak got who were raising wet red
13:11 flags on behalf of Canada and trying to
13:13 tell Canadians be careful were not
13:15 allowed on the CBC. Only these ones were
13:17 allowed on the CBC. The same month that
13:20 CBC suppressed that story that Marian
13:23 Klo had that their vaccine injuries were
13:26 numer were were numbering in the
13:27 hundreds and the thousands, CBC Manitoba
13:30 posted any claims that COVID 19 vaccines
13:33 may have long-term side effects are
13:35 completely untrue.
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13:51 2026 is a midter. And they knew this was
13:55 a lie because their own reporter had a
13:56 story that it wasn't untrue. An
13:58 infectious disease expert recently told
14:01 CBC Radio's White Coat Blackart. So
14:04 instead of quoting Health Canada's
14:06 website or the people who were injured,
14:08 they quoted themselves. This was a self
14:10 self-referential story and they quoted a
14:13 show called White Coat Black Art. You
14:15 can't get more authoritative. It's
14:16 hosted by a medical doctor, Brian
14:18 Goldman. This guy's one of my heroes.
14:20 He's a medical he's he's a emergency
14:22 room doctor in a busy hospital in
14:24 downtown Toronto and he has two radio
14:26 shows and he took all of the trust of
14:27 that 25 years and he flipped it against
14:29 me like a judo move
14:32 to harm me. He put Tara Moriardi on,
14:35 identified her as an infectious disease
14:37 researcher at the University of Toronto.
14:40 He didn't mention that she's a founder
14:42 of Science Up First, which took a
14:44 million.75 from the federal government
14:47 to promote vaccine uptake. That was a
14:50 half truth from that definition of
14:52 propaganda I gave you a moment ago. That
14:55 was a lie by concealment. It was a lie
14:58 by omission. Brian Goldman lied to us
15:01 and then so did Tara Morardi. She said,
15:04 "We don't have any evidence that the
15:06 vaccines cause anything but immunity
15:10 against COVID 19." On the day she said
15:13 it, Health Canada, now I don't know why
15:15 my slides aren't showing here, but
15:17 Health Canada
15:19 had reported 119 deaths already from the
15:23 COVID vaccine. You have to understand,
15:25 Mr. Allison, who reports this? Not
15:28 anyone gets access to these these uh
15:30 lists on Health Canada. It has to be an
15:32 attending physician who signs off on the
15:34 death certificate or some other health
15:36 professional that's involved with the
15:38 death and that information goes to the
15:40 provincial health authority which then
15:42 sends it to Health Canada. So there's a
15:43 big vetting process before they list 119
15:46 dead Canadians while the CDC is saying
15:49 to Canada that they have no evidence. No
15:52 wonder people were dying from this
15:53 vaccine. They were told that this wasn't
15:56 true on a regular basis. Now, imagine if
16:00 young Sean Hartman, whose father just
16:02 testified here, who died from the
16:04 vaccine,
16:06 had known that. Imagine if CBC Kids was
16:09 on his television. He was in that range,
16:13 that 18-year-old range for myocarditis
16:16 and paricarditis. Imagine if Marian
16:18 Cloak's story had been broadcast like
16:21 every one of her other stories in her 35
16:23 year career and that had gone up like a
16:25 public broadcaster does to the national
16:27 level and had gone across the country in
16:31 June of 2021.
16:33 Would Shawn have taken the vaccine if
16:35 he'd known that people were dying? Even
16:37 if it was only some people, even if it
16:38 was only a tiny minority, would he have
16:40 taken it?
16:43 The next story that emerged was the
16:45 thing didn't work. So, not only had it
16:47 been established by Health Canada that
16:49 was not completely safe, but now it
16:51 wasn't completely effective. So, CBC's
16:54 cross country checkup with Ian Hannah,
16:56 again, one of my heroes. I love this
16:57 guy. I used to look up to him. He's he's
16:59 so easy on the air. He's easy to believe
17:01 the way he talks, but he used that trust
17:04 and he turned it against us like a
17:06 revolver with a one bullet in the
17:08 chamber and we don't know how many
17:09 chambers. Pointed directly at us. He put
17:11 Isaac Bogot on from Science Up First and
17:13 didn't identify, concealed that from the
17:15 public and instead said he's simply an
17:18 infectious disease expert and clearly
17:21 this is a three-do vaccine was his
17:23 message. A number of months later, it
17:25 still wasn't working. So Isaac Bogos
17:27 went into overdrive and the rest of
17:29 science up first. He was on CBC Metro
17:31 morning, the flagship radio show in
17:32 Toronto, saying when to get your fourth
17:34 dose. He was on CBC News in October
17:36 saying get your no next dose every 6
17:38 months. He was on the National with
17:41 Andrew Chang. Who looks more trustworthy
17:43 and honest than Andrew Chang, you know,
17:45 but he betrayed his audience and all of
17:48 Canada that night when he put this guest
17:50 on and called him an infectious disease
17:52 specialist and didn't mention he was
17:53 paid by the government to make you take
17:55 a vaccine. It was a trick.
17:59 On the same day he said it, the death
18:01 toll was now up to 370 dead Canadians,
18:04 reported by Canadian medical officials
18:06 while they were doing this. So my point
18:09 is that a journalist looks at Health
18:10 Canada data and doesn't tell you that
18:13 people are dying. And by this point
18:15 there was over,00 myocarditis and
18:17 paricarditis mostly young men. This was
18:19 a safety signal emerging while they were
18:21 selling saying go get another dose and
18:24 don't worry it's totally safe and
18:25 effective. I wonder if this woman was
18:28 listening to the CBC. Carol Pierce died
18:30 in minute seven in her 50-minute waiting
18:33 period after she got the vaccine. The
18:35 coroner said she died of natural causes.
18:39 So, we really have to suspend our
18:40 disbelief here that she was going to die
18:43 anyway in the Shoppers Drug Mart at that
18:45 moment and that the confounding
18:47 interference of the injection into her
18:48 arm 7 minutes before was irrelevant.
18:50 This is even bigger than trying to
18:52 suspend her disbelief that it didn't
18:53 come from the lab when when the lab
18:55 itself was publishing what they were
18:56 doing with the Corona virus that emerged
18:58 in their city. Her daughter
19:02 posted the last text thread where her
19:05 mother wrote, "The last words of this
19:07 woman before she died was waiting the 15
19:10 minutes, lol."
19:12 This is the type of social media post
19:14 that the CBC would declare was
19:15 misinformation.
19:18 They shamed and blamed, belittled,
19:21 humiliated, and bullied. I had never
19:22 seen anything like this. This goes
19:24 beyond what China did. This is this is
19:26 getting into North Korea level of state
19:27 broadcasting where they they actually
19:30 attacked people who were telling the
19:32 truth and they dismissed it because it
19:34 was social media which is now the only
19:36 truthful media we have because the CBC
19:39 was clearly and I'm showing evidence
19:40 here. I'm submitting this. It was lying
19:42 to us by now. They called them
19:44 antivaxers, conspiracy theorists and
19:46 misinformation on social media. These
19:48 phrases may sound familiar to you. I'm
19:51 going to break down this language for a
19:53 moment. It's pure censorship. An
19:55 antivaxer is meant to make you think
19:57 they're unreasonable. A conspiracy
20:00 theorist is meant to make you think
20:01 they're delusional. They have a mental
20:03 illness of some sort. They're paranoid.
20:05 And misinformation means they're
20:07 practicing mischief. Nobody wants to be
20:09 accused of these things. So, this is how
20:11 censorship works really effectively. You
20:13 don't want to be called this. So, you
20:15 don't speak up. You self censor. You
20:18 shut the hell up instead of coming
20:20 forward with the truth. This is the
20:22 language of propaganda and it's
20:24 extremely effective and I want to tell
20:26 everyone here today this is a little
20:28 trick. I'm trained to do this so I
20:30 understand it. But the next time you're
20:32 listening to any media or reading any
20:34 media and you hear the phrase antivaxer,
20:37 conspiracy theorist or misinformation,
20:40 you are listening to propaganda.
20:43 Understand that from this day forward.
20:46 Your life may depend on it.
20:49 By March 1st, 2023, so many Canadians
20:52 were disgusted and upset with the CBC
20:55 for not reporting this story that 150 of
20:58 them went at dawn down to the CBC
21:00 headquarters on Front Street in Toronto
21:02 and plastered flyers with their faces,
21:05 their names, their injuries, the stories
21:08 of their dead loved ones on the front
21:10 page on the front entrance of the CBC.
21:12 You could not have been a CBC employee
21:14 entering in the main entrance that day
21:15 and not have seen this.
21:18 They were saying, "Okay, we're willing
21:20 to commit a minor act of vandalism here
21:23 in order to get you to pay attention. We
21:24 don't know what else could work."
21:28 But near as I can figure,
21:30 CBC security just went out and took the
21:33 posters down
21:34 and these people were not interviewed.
21:38 My guess is that they couldn't be
21:39 interviewed because if you take 150 of
21:42 them, statistically probably about 10 or
21:44 15 of them are going to say to the
21:46 interviewer, you know, I believed you.
21:48 You did this to me. Adrien Arseno, Ian,
21:51 Hannah Mansing, Brian Goldman, I can
21:53 name 10 others. You did that. I trusted
21:56 you. They they were stuck because they
21:58 couldn't call them an antivaxer. They'd
22:00 all been vaccinated. They couldn't say
22:02 this is misinformation. They were only
22:04 describing their own truly lived
22:06 experience
22:07 and they couldn't call them a conspiracy
22:09 theorist because they weren't saying
22:10 anything other than I got vaccine
22:12 vaccinated and I'm injured. Please tell
22:14 the story. By January 19th, Health
22:18 Canada 2024, Health Canada had listed
22:21 488 dead Canadians reported by their
22:24 medical professionals on their website.
22:27 The safety signals of paricarditis and
22:29 myocarditis were now officially on the
22:31 Health Canada website. Now imagine if 2
22:35 and 1/2 years prior the CBC had simply
22:37 let Mary and Kowak do her story and not
22:39 censored her. Imagine if the CBC
22:41 national had done the story and followed
22:43 this as it emerged. Never mind that it
22:45 didn't work. It was killing people. Now
22:48 yes, they will say
22:50 it wasn't everybody. It was only some
22:53 people. And the biggest emerging story
22:55 that I see on this page is that of the
22:58 488 deaths, Mr. Allison 484 of them have
23:03 been dismissed as non-causal.
23:05 So when a doctor sees somebody die and
23:08 has has the toarity to write on the
23:11 death certificate CO 19, how does some
23:15 review panel at a later date dismiss
23:17 close to 100% of them? Now instead of
23:21 examining this as an investigative
23:23 report, journalists will say, "Well, see
23:25 that only only four of them really
23:27 died." Still not none like they say.
23:32 But how is it that they dismiss almost
23:34 100% of them? In this regard, CBC, in my
23:39 observation, is equated with the state
23:42 broadcasters of North Korea, Syria, and
23:45 China. I lived and worked in these
23:47 countries. I heard it happen. I was
23:49 trained at the CBC on how to be a
23:51 journalist, and I watched it morph
23:53 during CO. It's propaganda from the top
23:55 down. It's intentional manipulation of
23:57 public opinion through lies, halftruths,
24:00 and disinformation. And by
24:01 disinformation, I mean a lie with intent
24:04 to mislead. And that's why this inquiry
24:07 is here. If the CBC had done its job,
24:11 we wouldn't be here doing this. We need
24:14 an MP like you to call an inquiry
24:17 because the billion dollar CBC failed
24:19 us. But it's possible that it didn't
24:23 because its assignment changed. It is no
24:25 longer a public broadcaster. It's a
24:28 state broadcaster and it did as it was
24:30 told.
24:31 Thank you very much for listening today.
24:33 I wanted to come here and tell you what
24:34 I've observed to be true.
24:36 >> Well, thank you, Mr. Paul. You certainly
24:38 won't. Yeah. Well, there we go.
24:46 You You won't get any disagreement for
24:47 me, but I'm going to turn it over to Mr.
24:49 Moss for a question.
24:51 >> Thank you very much for your uh your
24:53 cander today.
24:55 Your last statement is, you know,
24:58 created a question for me. Now, as a
25:00 state broadcaster, obviously CBC did not
25:03 act alone. So, are you suggesting that
25:06 they were prompted by the state?
25:09 I don't know who prompted them. I do
25:12 know that they shifted their allegiance
25:15 from the people of Canada to an
25:17 organization called the trusted news
25:19 initiative which was a standards
25:21 organization which virtually all
25:24 mainstream media in North America and
25:26 worldwide subscribed to just prior to co
25:30 and this standards organization and this
25:33 is research that I've done um would give
25:35 them story ideas such as how to out lies
25:39 on social media how to shame and blame
25:42 I can guess that it was a directive that
25:46 would have come from the president of
25:47 the CBC, but I don't know.
25:50 >> And this this news uh background like a
25:55 press would we would think of it, but
25:57 that you just mentioned, what was the
25:58 name again?
26:00 >> The trusted news initiative.
26:02 >> It it came out of England. It's it's a
26:04 it's a a kind of a murky organization.
26:07 Um it's uh it's difficult to research
26:10 who they are, what they are, where when
26:12 they started, but they had you have to
26:15 understand that this the reason I'm
26:16 talking here about the CBC because it's
26:18 a crown corporation funded by federal
26:20 tax dollars in in its entirety. But it's
26:22 not alone. What I've just said here
26:24 could go for just about any news
26:26 organization, the Glob and Mail, the
26:27 National Post, Global TV, CTV, many of
26:30 my former employers. I worked in these
26:32 organizations and I saw them doing the
26:34 same thing. and they were all members of
26:36 this trusted news initiative.
26:38 >> Well, I I just want to thank you for
26:40 confirming what many of us have been
26:42 saying for many many years of the
26:45 obvious bias by [clears throat] our
26:47 mainstream media, especially our state
26:49 fund broadcaster. Um, so thank you for
26:52 uh for your honorship today. You're
26:54 >> welcome and thank you. And we are out of
26:56 time. And Mr. Palmer, I I somebody had
26:58 sent me a video of you talking at a
27:00 barbecue and when I saw you the
27:02 conversation, I said I I talked to Sean.
27:04 I said, I think we need to have him in
27:05 to help frame what we're up against. And
27:08 so, you've done an awesome job. And like
27:10 every witness, we really should have you
27:12 here for an hour, but we didn't have the
27:14 time and we need to make room for more
27:15 time. So, thank you very much for your
27:17 presentation and uh I think probably
27:20 confirming some of the some of the
27:21 things we suspected already, but I we
27:23 appreciate it you laying it out in such
27:25 an articulate way.
27:30 Yeah. So, the every witness's slide deck
27:33 and photos will are forming exhibits and
27:37 we'll have a page for each witness with
27:39 their, you know, video of their
27:41 testimony and the exhibits. So, thank
27:44 you.